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Question

...to a native speaker: Let's assume a model has worn man different bras. And let's assume every bra of hers has an article on Boobpedia. How would you call a list of her bras in her article? Braography?

Ah, no, that doesn't work. There may be bodies and other clothing included. I think there isn't a nice neologism we could find for that?

Prophecy 23:20, 4 August 2008 (EDT

You mean her birth year? Yes, it's linked automatically by the biobox. Prophecy 23:40, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
ofseries is actually meant only for episodes of TV serials for example. But it can also be used for Boku no Oppai. It appears in GOLU-09, too, after the type at the top of the infobox parameters: Video (Boku no Oppai). It is not necessary to have it in a filmography line though I think. It should be sufficient if you have all the title data, company and ID. Prophecy 00:14, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
Hm... Perhaps not a bad idea. By the way, the notes column will be filled with those affiliate links and view on demand and stuff... On pages like Lucy Love, for example. I'll think about it. Prophecy 04:22, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
  • You may be right about the Notes field. I do not like the affiliate links either. I do not like the "Big tits pictures / movies of" section. It's irritating and misleading. When I was a simple Boobpedia visitor, I never clicked on those links, because I learned after the first trial that it was only affiliate links NOT leading to the promised big tits pictures / movies of the model I was reading the article of. So this section was even contraproductive. Besides, the spaces around the / are wrong and bad typography. I removed the big tits pictures / movies section in every single of my articles. I have a list of websites the model worked with, this is honest, because it says: This is the website the model appears on. I put the affiliate links in there, because I do understand that Boobpedia needs this. I guess there aren't many donors. Boobpedia has to live somehow.
  • But back to our Notes column: Installing an extra column for affiliate links is more than I want to grant. Besides, the filmography table cannot take more columns. Even now you said that some columns are squeezed if you view them with a low screen resolution. So I thought the best way to make it possible to include them when needed was to put them into the notes field. Remember: You are not obliged to put any affiliate links there. But I saw it in many of the "standard" pornstars pages like Lucy Love that VOD links have been added after a quite a few films by the admins. And this is ok. If a visitor wants to view scenes of the film, he can; and why not have the site pay Boobpedia for leading visitors to their VOD site. And: Especially the Lucy Love filmography is edited constantly, some editors thoroughly collect the films she participated in. If we want our clean and fancy filmography style to be used there, we have to offer the possibility to add the affiliate links. Besides, on Anna Semenovich#Cinema, I used the column for adding the role she was playing in the film (because I did not want an extra column for this either) and the IMDb link. I think we should just consider it as a multipurpose field where users can put things they'd like to appear in the filmography, but which don't have a field elsewhere.
  • Different thing: Apparently yuo copied the data from {{Beneath the Valley of the Ultravixens}} to {{Up!}} without changing all parameters. :-) Now both films have partly the same data.
  • Please archive this talk page too, except this last section. It has become huge just in a few days, but I think most work is done. It's difficult to load, therefore I removed the example filmography of Russ Meyer from this page too. Prophecy 14:05, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
Ok, look Faster Pussycat up in the print source, and compare with other sources if possible. If you change it back to 1966, please be sure to change the year in August 6, too! August 6 appears on the Boobpedia Main page tomorrow, in the right box, as "Today in boob history" (appears if a page for the day exists). So it would be nice if we were correct. :-) Prophecy 15:28, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Need help

Hi Dekkappai,

could you have a look at Tango II (bra)? It's my first bra article which is not only a stub - but I'm not quite satisfied with my grammatical and rhetoric style, above all in the "Reception" section. Perhaps you as a native speaker may go through the article and make suggestions if the wording or style appears strange to you. Feel free to edit.

Thanks in advance

Prophecy 09:21, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, and one more question: "Reception" means how people like it, but I'm also looking for a section title like "circulation", "speading", "diffusion" containing facts about who wears a bra. Some bras are very widespread among Score models, but do not appear in other pictorials at all. Some are only worn by European models, and some are really spread all over the world. Any suggestions? Prophecy 09:34, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for now, I'll go through your changes later, have to leave for a while. Looking forward to your suggestion concerning the "circulation" of a bra. :-) Prophecy 09:36, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
Ah! Distribution? Or can this be confused with distributors selling it in different countries? Prophecy 10:26, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! :-) About models who wear: No, that doesn't work. I already have a list like this in the infobox. I meant it more in a general way. It seems for example that Score has bought some bras and garments for their models which they give to them at each and every occasion (I hope they wash them in the meantime), but no one else has been seen wearing them. Strange... The wearers can be classified not only by model, but also by geographic boundaries (ok, certainly a pure British bra is worn mostly in Britain), and, as I said, by websites. I thought distribution was possible, analog to Gauss distribution and stuff... :-( Prophecy 13:25, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
This is a fine idea. I think we both forgot that there are still articles wrapped around our infoboxes and that the infoboxes do not need to contain every available data on the film... Prophecy 14:36, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Clearall

I see. I get this sometimes, when the headlines go through the biobox for no reason. Alright I'll revert it. Apara 03:09, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, by the way - {{Clearleft}} did not work because it simply did not exist.
Did.
I just created it. You can use it now, works the same as <br clear="left"/>, but is easier to use. Prophecy 10:56, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Uschi

Hi Dekkappai,

ah - first one question that tortures me since the day we correspond:

  • Looking at many of the film titles in your Japanese filmographies,
  • recognising the constant appearance of some syllables in most big breast related Japanese film titles
  • and finally applying some general linguistic contruction rules

- dare I try a translation of your name? He who loves big boobs? He who'd have big boobs if he was a woman? He who tells you "Don't bother me with boring crap, I want to look at my tits"?

Er - regards

Prophecy 07:00, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, and your questions and problems:

1. Too many templates in Uschi's page?

Well, that's what we are testing here. It's only you who includes such big and complete filmographies in articles, so testing your articles is the best way to test the funtionality of the film template in general. So far it seems to work better than I thought. Just calling User:Dekkappai\Uschi today went incredibly quick and caused no problems at all. But we do not have enough test results so far. So please proceed like we agreed earlier: As soon as you notice severe server performance loss, stop adding film templates. Add only one filmography at once and look how it works; do not add filmographies to several articles at the same time. If something happens, we are able to better locate the article which caused the trouble. And now the crucial question: What did you do two days ago when the server crashed again? I did nothing; I had Boopedia open but did not call a page or edit for several hours. When I returned to my computer, I could not call any page anymore. I looked into the recent changes, but there was nothing particular. So perhaps someone has tried to save a big template or article, caused the crash, but the crash happened before the article could be logged. I did not see you working on Uschi before the crash, so I suppose you didn't do anything that could have caused the crash either?

First experiences with long filmographies: Although Uschi's page was easy to call, saving it resulted in a zero-sized reply again. Not severe, because changes are mostly saved in this case, but an indicator that the server starts to have problems. If it's only when you save the page, it's ok, because just browsing through tha page caused not problems at all. But I really do not know what will happen with some of your ultra-long Japanese film lists. Perhaps you'll have to break them into subpages. Not that they'd cause any trouble for readers browsing through them - but it would become hard for you to edit them if you get error messages all the time.

But after all, we are not even able to say if it really was the number of templates on Uschi's page that caused the slight error, or just the "general situation" and the server just wanting to hiccup a little bit. We have to test more, but carefully.

2. Including Up! in the filmography messes up everything that follows

Sure. The template itself was messed up. When I called it, the preview was not visible, only a rudimentary #if: statement. I deleted the two country templates that were in the alternate title field, and everything worked fine. I think they were in there from former times, when the film templates did not exist yet. I'll have to test if the new version of the country template works at all with the film templates. Little excursion: You know that wiki tables are made of |'s. However, template code statements contain |'s too, but with a totally different function. So if you include a template with code-|'s in a table with table-|'s, the server might interprete the |'s belonging to the code as belonging to the table - which instantly messes up the whole table structure of course. This might have been the reason, but I'm not sure. I'll test this when the new nationality and country templates are there. So far everything with Up! is fine again; I included it in your filmography. As there are several 1976 films, please check if I puit it at the right place.

3. Protect links

See what I meant with affiliate links in the notes column? They exist, and we have to deal with them. Only that I did not expect them to appear on a page like Uschi's. The problem is:

  • Normal editors are not allowed to add new protect tags. Which is the case if you create your user subpage Uschi from scratch.
  • Normal editors are not allowed to remove existing protect tags. Which would be the case if you created your subpage without protects and then replaced the original filmography with your own one.

I really do not like these protect tags. They aren't even used consistently. I know they are set by admins to protect affiliate links from being removed; but in the last time, it was more the normal editors who added the affiliate links to their articles than the admins taking care of that. Which means that the big part of Boobpedia users understands how important the affiliate links are and rather adds the links instead of removing them. We seem to be more sensible than Wikipedia editors. Especially when I looked at a simple Wikipedia article yesterday, only by chance, and opened the history: Every second edit was some IP number idiot adding words like "suck your dick" "fluffy farts fly away in far farting forthcoming filth fuckers" (that already being invented and too intelligent for these apes) or whatever. But I understand that we need these tags to protect important paragraphs or links from being deleted.

Enough said. What can you do?

  • Write your filmography on the Uschi subpage.
  • Do not add neither protect tags nor any notes at all.
  • Paste your new filmography into the original title without deleting the original filmography.
  • Move the protect tags, i. e. the notes wrapped by the protect tags, from the original into your new filmography.

You see, moving them around is not harmful, as long as

  • the content between the protect and /protect tag is not changed
  • no protect tag is deleted.

That's the only way it works.

If you have any further questions, just ask. :-)

Prophecy 08:42, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Of course, you can build your filmography around the protect tags too. But please note that this only works on the original page where the protect tags already are. You cannot build your filmography around the tags on your user subpage, because this would mean that you actually add protect tags to a new page. You could work on it and preview it on your user subpage, but only could save it on the original page. Be sure to always keep a copy in your clipboard or notepad if you work this way, because you have no saved interim version at all until you (successfully!) save the final version on the original page.
Ah, there's another (really wicked) method of killing the protect tags (didn't tell you at first, but why not):
  • Write your filmography where ever and how ever you want. Add the affiliate links to it without protect tags.
  • In the original filmography, delete all text that is around the protect tags, not what's inside them.
  • Wrap those evil protect tags with the following: <span style="display:none"> ... </span>. This makes everything between the span tag invisible. The protect tags are still there, because you cannot delete them, but they do not appear in the article anymore. So you can move them to the end of your article and happily write your pure and clean filmography. You don't even do any harm, because you do use affiliate links. You simply do not let yourself be patronised by telling you where to place and how to edit affiliate links. :-)
Two things left:
1.
Please tell me when you are ready with adding the affiliate links in this case. I had a certain format in mind, and I think it would be fine to agree on a standard when you continue editing your Asian performers and I go over to the more mainstream ones with other issues to be taken care of.
2.
Forgot. Wasn't so important, obviously. :-)
Regards
Prophecy 10:35, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
The problem is: One single character inside protect tags deleted by accident, and you cannot save the page anymore. And no way to find out where this was... I think the best way is to build the filmography outside, paste it and then remove the text around the protect tags one by one (and saving between the steps to see if you deleted something by accident which prevents you from saving), than put them in the display:none environment, or move the protect tags inside the film templates (which I do not like personally). Prophecy 12:23, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
Oh, that's really interesting! I'd never discovered that... Again: Who says Boobpedia cannot teach you something. :-) Prophecy 17:06, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
Did you do it on your user subpage or in Uschi's real article? Prophecy 06:05, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
No no... I just saved the filmography into the page, above the old one. I then wanted to try to move the protect tags, but I cannot reopen the page for editing -> zero sized reply. Saving such a page is obviously a little work for the server. Hope I can edit the page later. If not - well, then we'd have to skip the whole idea, because the server is uncapable of handling big tables like this. :-( Prophecy 11:49, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
Can you open the page to edit? I still can't. Prophecy 13:28, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

All movie guide

Yes, I saw it in the Wikipedia infoboxes on films too, but it was not mentioned here in Boobpedia so far - I thought. Good idea, I'll put it on my to do list. Have a look at {{Infobox film}} from time to time if I forget to tell you when I implemented it. Prophecy 00:38, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Russ Meyer

I think it's okay, as long as there are some visible busty women in it. But only because it's Russ Meyer. :) The Honorable 11:55, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Lost...

...5 hour's work after browser crash on a sophisticated article... *sigh* Next time I'll save half-ready sentences, no matter how funny they may be, but the server has my text. :-( Prophecy 16:12, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Films in general

First about Eyes Wide Shut: I did not see the film. I wanted to add an article just for the sake of having a second article named "Eyes Wide Shut" and creating a disambiguation page. I read that a (BP-notable) actress was taking part in one single scene, which was an orgy scene. She did not have a real role and was even uncredited. All other actresses had small boobs. So my case is completely different from yours I think. The film may be somewhat sex-orientated, but it certainly has nothing to do with a big boobs film.

About your film: First I wanted to say: Add it, of course! But then I started thinking... These are my thoughts I'd like to point out:

  • We should just consider one question: If someone wants to see big boobs in a film, would you recommend your film to him?

->

  • A film with a busty actress only in one scene, without a notable role: Not. An article about the actress, yes, there the film can be mentioned.
  • A film where one of the main roles is played by a busty actress. Yes. Yes yes yes. If you see her in many scenes, it doesn't have to be a boob film, has it? It's just that you can enjoy the nice view while following the film
  • Your film: If she appears in several scenes and is part of the story, I'd say: Write your article. Write in it how and where the actress appears. If you have too less material, just write an article on her and mention the film in the article.

Just a few quick thoughts. Maybe I'll contradict myself in future articles. :-)

Prophecy 16:51, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Let's face it: Besides Russ Meyer films, there are no films with the properties that would make a film notable on Boobpedia. Except your Japanese films which do have a story, but focus on big breasts if I got you right. I'd say add it. But add the actress first. :-) Prophecy 17:05, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Suggestion

Hi Dekkappai,

I wondered why you used the strange "Name ... Role" syntax in your cast list of film articles, until I noticed that this might be the result of copying them directly from IMDb. Do you think it's too much work to adapt the lines to "Name - Role"? I used this syntax in my (much smaller) filmographies too, and I just saw that Wikipedia uses the same. Just a suggestion.

Double Agent 73: Oh... I feel an article on Doris Wishman coming up... :-)

Prophecy 23:56, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh no, no more tables. Look at this to see what too much tables do to a page. Especially when there is basically no content. Stumbled upon this today, didn't know the site exists. I'm glad we have a better standard here... (Although I have to admit that our Lucy Love isn't much better. People are constantly adding films of hers, but nobody writes about the person. If I wanted to know something about her, I'd find nothing in the article. Nothing. As if Boobpedia was a film database... But perhaps someone will expand the article some day.) Leave the cast as a list, it's readable and comfortable for the eye. I'd prefer the - instead of the ..., but as I said: just a suggestion. ... normally means elision, so I thought the - would fit better. :-) Prophecy 00:54, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

IMDb

I've contributed to the IMDb for years, so I'm painfully aware of its flaws. :) I think it's probably slightly more reliable than Wikipedia, and we copy whole articles from them. If better sources than IMDb are available, that's fine; otherwise, I think it's acceptable for our purposes. The Honorable 20:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

To be used in references or just used without supplying references (but it's obvious to everyone it's from IMDb anyway)? That's the big question. -Biguns 05:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
I see no question here at all, much less a bigun... You should cite your facts, whatever the source is. It is never "obvious" where any information comes from. Any unsourced bit of information given at a Wiki-type article is basically useless hear-say. But if you want to write unsourced articles, go ahead. Boobpedia has no AfD process-- and I hope it never does-- so you don't have to worry about someone plastering ugly "unsourced" and "fact" tags all over your work and then having it removed. So go ahead and give us more unsourced articles and images. Just do us a favor and don't pick apart those editors who source their work, and who take the time to source yours. Dekkappai 11:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Template concerns

Hi Dekkappai,

yes and no. I couldn't edit Uschi either (edit: yes, but save: no). I think we'll have to revert the last edit, that's the only way to make the page editable again. You should copy your filmography on a personal subpage of yours until the issue is solved.

But: It does not really seem to be the templates. I noticed several things when I edited a few "normal" articles during the past few days:

  • Editing a "normal" article (mid-length): No problem
  • Editing a long article (like Katja Ehrhardt for example): Sometimes the same problems as with Uschi: Zero sized reply

This means: It's not really the templates - it's the length of an article. The server seems to have reached a point where it has difficulties processing long pages. Katja Ehrhardt does not have a filmography in it, but it shows the same behaviour sometimes.

I don't know what to do. Perhaps the new Wiki software will help. Hexvoodoo told me he was looking for ways to implement it. For now, do what I recommended: Copy the filmography to one of your user subpages and wait... :-(

As for your list: I expect the same problems with that. What astonishes me: Saving the big filmography to your userpages was possible, but as soon as it was in an article, the server wouldn't let us save the page. Perhaps it's the combination of a filmography and the biobox (which takes a lot of resources too) that makes the server stop. This would mean that you will perhaps be able to set up your Cinema Unit GAS list and save it, because there's not biobox in it. You should try on a user subpage first. If we have the resources to save it into an article one day, you will have it ready.

Prophecy 19:08, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Found this amusing

Asian women with prosthetic breasts: http://www.farangdingdong.com/ Apara 23:52, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Google translate

Fixed. The Honorable changed something in the template that caused the incorrect line break. Prophecy 15:49, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I cannot put that in italics, because I "misuse" the original title as well as the third title sometimes for original titles. Actually, you cannot be sure which title will contain the original title. I left it in normal characters, because Japanese letters look ugly if italicised. So only the main title is in italics, all others will be in normal letters. Prophecy 17:38, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
Oh, now I see that it was a misunderstanding. I confused inline citation and filmography. I think I can fix this. Prophecy 20:40, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
Fixed. Prophecy 22:19, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Biobox parameters

Hi Dekkappai,

I already saw that someone "cleaned up" your article and expected some trouble... :-) As for frontal: Just have a look at {{Biobox new}}. There's an explanation for every field. I did not introduce the full frontal thing, and I do not understand the importance of such a field, so I just took the explanation from the old biobox. The definition is: Does she show her breasts and her vagina on the same picture or film. That's all. If so, feel free to revert the edit to your article. Prophecy 10:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Video articles

Oh, it's totally up to you! I implemented the possibity to use bigger pictures that are automatically shrinked for filmographies, so if you find that a video is worth an article, you can just replace the picture by the bigger version.

Citizen Kane? Who is Citizen Kane? Does he have a big breasted wife? Is Rosebud a bra? I think I should start an article... :-)))))

As for still covering the basics: Yes, perhaps. But we should not forget to share our knowledge if we know more about a subject than others or than other sources provide. It's certainly also the broad coverage of performers that makes people come to Boobpedia, but I think they'll soon be disappointed if they only find: "XY is a porn star" (Ah, didn't know this!), together with some unsourced questionable measurements and "She did anal." I think it will be articles like Gaston Lachaise that will help build a real reputation for Boobpedia. I started quite a lot of articles too, because I found that all these big breasted latex models were underrepresented, but recently I thought that it was time to expand some of my articles and add the information I did not share so far.

I'm somewhat proud of my newly expanded article on Katja Ehrhardt - now it's by far the biggest collection of information on her in the whole internet. And it has loads of links to other articles (some of them still red), but that's what I have in mind: Readers who start reading an article, see links to other articles, read, click, read, click, find more, know more... and in the end they do not know where they started. That's what I like when I read in Wikipedia. Sometimes I only type in a word that interests me, and after a short time I find myself learning about molecular physics, astronomy, linguistics, history...

We can build this, each one of us with his special knowledge. I am not familiar with all those Japanese actresses, but I think even now Boobpedia is already the biggest collection of information about them in English language.

Prophecy 20:12, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Cinema Unit GAS list

Hi Dekkappai,

I noticed that too, I wasn't able to work for a short while and I think I closed the browser then. The disadvantage is: It will be difficult to edit lists that contain many film templates. We saw this on the Uschi Digard example. The advantage is: It will not be necessary to edit those lists much in the future. As there won't be MORE films released in 2007 (unless you forgot to mention one), no additions have to be made to the list. And if you find more data on a film, you can just change the template which will not affect the server.

So the whole thing is still ambiguous... As for huge filmographies in arcticles that may be edited more often (like performer articles) I have my doubts if the concept can be kept without new Wiki software or a new server. As for your complete lists, I think the film template is the best thing that could happen. I looked through the list and I think it's really nice to look at, with a clear layout, easy to navigate and well structured.

Let's see what future practice brings. But be very careful if you want to add a large filmography to a performer article that might need to be edited in the future.

Regards

Prophecy 07:25, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Filmography, inline and references

Hi Dekkappai,

huh, quite a lot of issues. :-)

  1. Series and Notes field: You are right, the series field is was simply not shown if a film is displayed as filmography entry. Please have a look at {{Film listentry/testcases}}. I think your idea to have the series in the notes field is a good solution. I added this. If ofseries is specified, it's added as the first text in the notes field. If there are other notes (the actual content of the notes field), a line break is added and the notes are displayed in the line after the series. I think it looks ok like this; please tell me if you think so too. I'll implement this in the main template then. For now, it's only in the sandbox. You will have to correct (delete) your existing notes fields, because the series will be displayed twice then. :-)
  2. Reference not displayed after year in inline use: That's normal, because if a film is displayed inline, it takes the main release year, not the released field. If your reference is in the released field, it won't be displayed. We cannot take the released field for the inline style, because it's not common to have a full date after a single mentioning of a film.
  3. Reference in name field: No. That does not work. I first thought that this would destroy the display of a link to the corresponding article (if there is one), but my template is less vulnerable than I expected. :-) If there is an article, every reference is ignored and the normal link is displayed. I tested it with Supervixens. So you can add a reference behind a name, but as soon as there is an article, your work will be in vain - the reference simply vanishes.
  4. So what can we do? Nothing, I'm afraid. We simply cannot avoid a reference from being displayed in the reflist, but with no mark in the text. As soon as a template (the data container) contains a reference, it will be displayed in the reflist. No way to work around that. I first thought of adding a special reference field like you proposed in the beginning. But this would pose the following problems: First: Where do we put the reference sign for the inline use? The minimal appearance is only the film title, so it would have to be displayed directly after the name. This is somewhat stupid, because if you just write "Supervixens", there is not data to be referenced, but the reference is there... Second: What if we need more than one reference? Hm... no, you might be able to add two references in the ref field. Which makes a single film title even more stupid to look at ("Supervixens[1][2][3] is a cool film"), but this might be a solution. So we have the reference displayed in every possible case, you cannot put a reference to a specific field (release year has other source than cast, for example), but you can have all references together and the reader has to search where the information is.

I think this would be acceptable. What's your opinion? Otherwise the only solution would be to not reference the film templates at all, but to add the reference every time you mention the film.

Prophecy 16:09, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Done. Please delete the series from the notes field in your templates, as it's displayed double now. :-) Prophecy 16:48, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Non-template filmographies.

Hi Dekkappai,

of course, you could copy the code from {{Filmography start}}, {{Film listentry}}and {{Filmography end}}, but I see no use? That's what I made the templates for: If you feel you won't need an article, just write the data manually in the {{Film}} template like you already did for some filmographies. So you've got the new filmography layout without having to bother about table code.

Prophecy 23:41, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

I may be wrong, but I think that using the film template without real film templates behind it causes no problems. The server does not have to fetch the data for each and every filmography entry from a different template, but can "stay" in the article using the data you specify manually. I think it's only problematic if there are real templates behind it. Prophecy 23:59, 25 August 2008 (EDT)


Naked as Nature Intended

I was going to make a film template of this movie, and since you uploaded the movie poster: Image:Naked as Nature Intended (1961).jpg Then I realized, none of the women in this film are big bust. You think I should do it anyways? Since about 50% of Harrison models were big bust anyways. Apara 20:16, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Well the film was focused more on nudity, than breasts. They labeled it as a nudist film so the censors would allow the film. Harrison self, from what I've read was more of the art of naked women and publish the photos on magazines. For whoever enjoyed them. (I wish I had my hands on some). I'll ask the Honorable, see what he says. Apara 23:37, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, that could work. I'll do it now. Apara 20:24, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Releases

I think the first release is most important. Use the first release for the main release year field. You can list all other release dates in the released field and separate them with br. As done with different delease dates for countries - why not do it for formats too. :-)

Prophecy 11:29, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

No, not at all. The field was created exactly for this, as there are nearly always more than one release date. Prophecy 11:38, 31 August 2008 (EDT)


Newspaper Ads

Where did you happen to obtain those images of the ads? Apara 03:41, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

It most likely could be her. The names are similar, she was a stripper in the 60's. It also looks like her. So I think we have a match.

Linking years and dates

There is no official policy. And as I am the only one who established all of the Chronology pages, I feel empowered to say: Let's make one!

My clear recommendation: Link all dates and years.

While developing the chronology pages, I sometimes pick a date and perform a search for it. This is very painful, because you get hits for a lot of birth dates and so on. But if you link all dates, it would become much more easer, because I can just go to the Wanted pages section and have a look what's new.

My chronology pages already made it to the Main page (see Today's birthdays and Today in boob history in the blue box to the right). These two lines only appear if corresponding articles exist (like today), and it would be very nice to fill all the days of the year with time.

So go ahead, your linking is appreciated very much.

By the way, I'm starting a Boobpedia project on Featured Articles now. Will save the page within the next hour. We already talked a lot about this, and I want to hear other's opinions. Above all, I'd like to know if the criteria for featured articles are purely commercial or if the "people's voice" can convince the admins to put an article of our choice on the main page. :-)

Have a nice day

Prophecy

Yes, right, I agree. I see no use of linking accessdate and date within citations. In my opinion, a date link helps the user to find the general chronological context of an event mentioned in an article. I guess there is no benefit in knowing what happened when a user accessed a source. :-) However, it could be useful for "date": It could be nice to know what happened when a source was written. But I leave that up to you. Link what you want. :-)
About the commercial reasons: I'd like that too, but I think we'd have to accept if there are commercial reasons for the inclusion of an article on the main page. We do not have the financial resources as Wikipedia has, and as long as we do not know if websites or models pay Boobpedia for the inclusion, we cannot just decide...
But honestly, I think that the only criteria so far was the Boobpedia interview. A concept which is in itself contradicting the encyclopedic approach, but who cares - we have always been something special. What really annoys me is that the quality of both the articles and the interviews is - er - poor. No sources, loads of pictures in a bad layout, film lists and nearly no information. The interviews do not mention who led the interview, and often they do not even print the questions. Is this a Boobpedia version of Jeopardy? Furthermore, it does not improve the quality of an article if a model is showing a sheet with "XY loves Boobpedia" into the camera. We are not a porn site for teenagers.
That's just my opinion, but I can understand why others laugh at this. I think we have become a lot better than that with time. Let's show it to the world!
Prophecy

Dixie Evans

Thanks for the extra info, Greetings and Cheers to You too for Your Great Work here.--Kamui99 00:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Breast bondage

Hi Dekkappai,

as you are the expert for Japanese models, you will have certainly more than often seen them in bondage. I'm planning to extend some breast-related themes here. It all began with nipple slips, but then I saw that we have nothing on breast bondage (which suits very well for big breasts), breast jewellery and all that stuff. I have collected some sources on breast bondage, but to my astonishment, even Wikipedia did not offer too much. Except for the German Wikipedia, which even has a Wikibook about how to do breast bondage right.

The masters of this art are Japanese, and the roots as well. So I wondered if you have some knowledge of the topic or even access to sources I might not find because of language barriers. Did you really abandon the thought of working together? I enjoyed our collaboration very much so far, so I think it would be fine if you could help me a little bit.

Please read my last reply on the citations issue regarding Rosina. I think we only misunderstood each other.

Regards

Prophecy 09:01, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your info so far. I found "Shibari" too and was astonished when I saw what it means. :-)
About Wikipedia: I want no respect from Wikipedia. But I understand why Boobpedia is often not taken serious. That's why I started the project, in order to improve our articles. Now I understand why you were angry; I don't like edit conflicts too... But I had none and was not aware that you tried to save the page at the same time. About my quoting Wikipedia citation rules: Not everything is bad in Wikipedia, and the short quoting of sources with pages and the mentioning of the whole book in bibliography seems to make sense to me. Exactly what you did, by the way. I did not edit the article on Rosina further, because I was not able to find even a tiny bit of information to quote. But it needs some copy-editing, that would be your job, you are a native speaker.
I don't want to copy Wikipedia. But Boobpedia already has the "Featured article" feature. So let's use it, but produce better articles to be displayed on the front page.
And after all, I have no bad experiences with Wikipedia, because I never wrote anything there. This allows me a quite unbiased point of view when I look at their features. And I think I wouldn't like to be involved in those edit wars taking place there. About your being cantankerous at times as you mentioned it: Well, I noticed a pretty amount of hostility when I followed your discussion with and about a user known for edits not supported by everyone. But I stayed outside deliberately, because it would have taken too much time to contribute, and I was busy developing other things. I'm not an admin and not a moderator, but I think the discussion could have been a bit less emotional. But I understand you well, because we both seem to be quite pedantic and exact in our work and goals. But that's another topic.
Back to breast bondage: Perhaps just wait until I start the article and see what I already have, so we avoid double research. For the time being, I'm expanding wardrobe malfunction, but already collecting links and pictures for breast bondage.
Have a nice day (night?)
Prophecy 18:00, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
Of course I got all your notes on breast bondage, thank you very much. But as I said, I don't work on the subject at the moment, I just collect and return to them later... Prophecy 14:43, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
Seeing the paizuri article being extended was one of the reasons why I started with other related articles. Breasts are our main topic, so it's a shame we have so little information on all that. Paizuri, breast bondage and all that stuff are to become a larger system of information here. I want the "reasearch" category to be replaced by some more specific stuff one day. Prophecy 15:17, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
:-) Of course there will be a section about nipple clamps, chains and stuff... Prophecy 05:07, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

If you like...

Hi Dekkappai,

fist of all, here's the chapter in the FAQ introducing the "If you like..." system: FAQ#How does the model recommendation feature work? I do not support this section personally. I think it was introduced following some discussion threads and message boards, but not encyclopedic approaches. There is something good in them, and when I feel that a reader might want to read further information about similar topics, I put it in a "See also" section, linking to non-external pages within Boobpedia. I first thought that an "If you like" link was really appropriate from 8209 (torsolette) to 7132 (torsolette), because they objectively are very similar garments made by different manufacturers - but I'll use those links in a "See also" section too.

Concerning all the other "If you like" links: Sometimes they are good (for example, linking from Bea Flora to Aneta Buena makes sense, the similarity is undeniable), but I know what you are talking about. There's a user on Boobpedia whose main work seems to be adding "If you like" links, preferably from European models to Asian ones. These recommendations are sometimes hard to understand, and if I see absolutely no similarity, I delete them - like other users do too. But sometimes I think it's not bad that some Euro-centric readers get to know more about these gorgeous Asian big bust models, so I let them stay in the article. What I don't understand is the permanent adding of links to non-existent articles. But perhaps some day these articles are created and we'll see.

My personal recommendation (reminding I'm not an admin): Delete them if you do not see any similarity at all. Discuss them if the similarity is questionable. Boobpedia does have this feature, so we cannot avoid it from being used. And if a user sees his main task in browsing Japanese databases and adding links from European models to Japanese one, this may be a good thing in certain cases, too. I don't think the user will be offended if you talk to him and ask what his reasons were to add a link in question. Communication is the solution, I think.

Regards

Prophecy 07:36, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

P. S.: Answer to your previous message follows.

Wardrobe malfunctions

Hey, thanks for the Jayne Mansfield hint, great! I already marked her name in the (hidden) "to do" list in my article. I'm still collectiong historical incidents, and this one fits very well. Prophecy 08:01, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikipedia

Sad to hear what happened. But I experienced it the other way round too. While collecting material on Susan Wayland (one of my articles still with a stub status), I saw that her Wikipedia article was marked for deletion for notability reasons. It led to a discussion on the forum of her site, and members started to improve the article. It's still marked for copy-editing (for good reasons), but it stayed at Wikipedia.

As for the rest: Well, it's up to us to do it better her at Wikipedia. And besides, I am sure if there will one day be a link from Wikipedia to Gaston Lachaise if it's further developed, or Katja Ehrhardt, I think they will have a different opinion (not "just another porn site"), because one cannot deny that the Gaston article on Wikipedia is more than poor, whereas ours is well-developed.

Ah, and Wikipedia does have an article on breast-binding, but the German Wikipedia source was better - and I think we can produce an article of at least the same quality.

Regards

Prophecy 08:07, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikipedia deletions

I moved your User:Dekkappai/Wikipedia deletions to User:Dekkappai/Wikipedia deletions to fix that slash, in case you were wondering. :) The Honorable 20:25, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Whoops, sorry about that. :) The Honorable 20:42, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Videos

Hi Dekkappai,

glad to see the "videos" category being populated. :-) But I did not quite understand your question. Where did you want to take away a "films" category? {{Infobox film}} automatically categorises an article following the type you specified in the template, so there's not need to specify a category manually. I already created all categories for the types, although they may be still empty at the moment. (Ah, another premiere: I just created the first television series recently: Der Container Exklusiv.) :-)

Perhaps you had previously assigned the "Films" category manually to the article. If your question was if this was inappropriate: Yes, the "Films" category is meant for movies on celluloid. Perhaps I should specify that somewhere. Oh, I see I already did at the head of the category: "This category contains films commonly released for cinemas (at least not primarily released as video tape or DVD)." :-)

Regards

Prophecy

Had a look at the article history and saw what you meant. Yes, removing Category:Films was right in my opinion. Prophecy 17:13, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
The explanation is already there, including DVD. :-) Prophecy 17:23, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Video release dates

Well, I did it with Supervixens on April 2. It's a question of notability I think. And we don't have rules on notability... Here are my thoughts (to be discussed):

  • I think every Russ Meyer film is notable.
  • I think videos are not notable unless it is the very first film of a performer or her first film of a new/different genre (first hardcore, first fetish).

Otherwise I fear that contributors like those enlargening the Lucy Love article with new films every day could start adding all of the films of a performer to the date categories - which would in fact turn them into filmographies. What do you think? Prophecy 11:48, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

That's what said: I too think that every Russ Meyer film deserves mention. I started with Supervixens for April 2, but just did not continue, because you were still working on all the Russ Meyer film templates at that time. As for your other suggestion: Yes, sounds fine. The first time a model appears on film is worth a mention I think. And the first videos of a whole series that becomes famous (at least to fans of the genre) is certainly worth being mentioned too. Well, let me then introduce you to some things that must be considered when adding a new "day" page. That might help you to set up one of your skeleton files:
Day - Your event
  • Go to Category:Days and copy the code example. As we do not have pages for all dates of the year yet, some pioneer work has to be done first.
  • Paste the code into your new page, for example March 9.
  • Adjust the month and day in the first and the last two lines (change "august" to "march" and the month and day numbers to "03" and "09".
  • Click on "Show preview".
  • The "Events" header shows an example entry. You can add your event here ("2007 - The first two videos of the XY series are released") or similar.
  • Do not change the code of the headers! They help you to find if there are further events to be mentioned and simply disappear if there are none.
Day - Births and deaths
  • This was the nice part. Now comes the dirty one: If you can see a header named "Births" or "Deaths", it means that there are births or deaths to be mentioned. If not, you can just comment out the example entries with <!-- and -->.
  • If the header for births or deaths appears, you can just click on it (I recommend right click and "open in new window"). You now have to add all the entries that are shown in the respective category. You have to look up the year and the occupation of the model. Don't wikilink the nationality; otherwise the whole line is blue.
  • If your page is ready: Save it. The example March 9 was easy, because there was just one birth. There can be up to 10 or more births on one day.
Year
  • Edit your new page again and copy the code of your new event to the clipboard.
  • Click on the year of the event in your newly created page. It leads you to the year.
  • Paste the code of your event at the right place in the Events section.
  • Change the 2007 (in this case) to March 9.
  • Save the page.
I did it for March 9, feel free to change the text for the Maple Muffin entry. If you have any further questions, just ask. :-)
Basically, you have to do the following:
  1. Create the day page and add your event.
  2. Add all relevant births and deaths manually.
  3. Add your event to the corresponding year page.
Lucky you if the day page already exists, so you only have to add your event to the day and the year page. :-)
Regards
Prophecy 12:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Good idea, but as long as the sections are so small I think we can get along with a general header. Prophecy 13:27, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Bukkake Source

I got that info from erosblog. I wanted to add that as a citation, but I forgot to.

Anyways, I never fact-checked that, and judging from what you wrote on my talk page, it seems as though I (and erosblog) are wrong.

Sorry about that commotion... Cost 01:36, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
You're British?
How do women get selected for interviews here? And how do they get interviewed? It seems as though all of them just talk about their upbringing, when they hit puberty, and when they lost their virginity. Can't we add some roe spice to that?
Cost 01:41, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Links in film entries

Hi Dekkappai,

the reason why there's no link on the Oppai label page is that you already are on the Oppai label page. :-) A link that leads to the same page it is displayed on is displayed bold and without link. That's why Towa Mitsui's name is not linked on her own page either, but on the Oppai label page. Prophecy 06:11, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Playboy templates

Thanks, glad you like it.

I did not do it before, because there are playmates with less than a C cup among them. On the other hand, I was astonished that articles on some of them appeared, although I judged them less than C. So I chose the ifexist method - the link is black, and if someone creates an article, it becomes blue. :-) Prophecy 13:00, 15 September 2008 (EDT)


Japanese AV idol, GAS, etc DVDs

I was wondering have you seen and/or own any of these films? I got my "hands" on one recently. Well more like downloaded off the internet. ;) It featured....Rio Hamazaki and someone else I forgot her name. Apara 03:00, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Pocha Pocha Princess Pretty: Usagi

Yeah, there are way too many fair use images on that article. More than three or four is probably pushing it. The Honorable 11:35, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Image deleted

Thanks, yes, his roll in this game is wannabe the inquisitor and perfect prefect, this' his page, the only ones things we can do are to write and to keep silence, silence or do our own site; i came time ago fleeing from the annoying wikipedia rules, with the Hexvoodoo promise that here not would have those rules, and sight, how came to fall here; but well, what remedy, our boob pasion keep us here. Greet You. --Kamui99 02:20, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Template Trouble

Hi Dekkappai,

I couldn't even load the page - seems that we have reached the limits of the current system and server. After I tried to load the page (which wasn't displayed), the server crashed. So if YOU are still able to load it, please revert your last addition of the tempates. It seems that a page can handle many film templates if the data is filled in manually, but not if there are "real" film templates behind the entries. Sad... :-(

Prophecy 14:26, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

It's even worse. I know that the Cinema Unit GAS lists displayed well, but they don't load either at the moment. Perhaps it's the overall amount of appearances of the film template that makes it difficult for every page that has them in it. Don't know. Every time I used only a few filmography entries in an article, all went fine. I first thought that the server needed time to restructure itself and establish all the internal links until it went back to consciousness (like "Fuck off, I'm working!"), but a look at the statistics page showed that the job queue length is 0. There must be other processes going on when saving a template, but as long as Hexvoodoo is not able to provide some logs or further information about the system, I cannot do anything... Prophecy 16:45, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
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